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Posted on Friday, August 19th, 2005 at 3:33 pm. About Design Industry.

LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?

The existence of cheap, logo mills is nothing new. They’ve been around for quite some time and generally produce pretty hideous results. But lately a company by the name of LogoWorks has been getting quite a bit of media attention.

LogoWorks has recently had extensive positive write-ups in the Wall Street Journal and the pages of Entrepreneur Magazine.

The WSJ piece starts off innocently enough, telling the story of small business owner Stephen Foster:

Stephen Foster dropped about $4,000 hiring designers to create a logo for his small Benicia, Calif., real-estate development company, Mobius Development Inc. Unsatisfied after several attempts — “they never grasped my idea” — he finally hit the Internet, where he turned up a firm called LogoWorks.com.

For $385, the company promised to put three designers on the job and offer him as many as eight different concepts. Mr. Foster was initially skeptical. “I thought there was a catch.” But within a week, he had a full package of designs that, he says, “were on the mark.”

A custom logo for $385? How can that be? Is it possible? What designer would change so little money to craft and refine a custom logo for a client? The article continues:

Here’s how it works: customers fill out a creative brief online and pick their price: from $265 (two designers and four to six concepts) to $549 (five designers and 10 to 12 concepts). The job is posted to a private area of the LogoWorks Web site where graphic designers sign up on a first-come, first-served basis.

The pay scale fluctuates. Designers are designated at expert, midlevel, or entry-level rank based on a point scale of 0 to 100. They all start at entry level, and their points and pay go up and down based on how their designs fare both with clients and with their peers. For instance, entry-level designers get paid $25 per project; midlevel, $30; and experts, $40.

“Expert” designers get paid only $40 for developing a logo??? Now it doesn’t take an economist to figure out that a designer would have to sell a lot of logos every month in order to be able to keep the wolf away from their door! To be sure, the designers for LogoWorks must exist in an endless stream of creative productivity in order to be able to design enough logos to make even a modest living.

Maybe not….

What’s really going on here?
Von Glitschka, creator of BadDesignKills.com, featured in the August issue of HOW magazine, has uncovered a nasty little secrety about LogoWorks: some of their designers have been stealing designs!

Over on the HOW discussion forum, Von started a thread where he displays logos alleged designed by LogoWorks and the logo originally designed by other designers. Take a look at some of the results below.

Alleged LogoWorks logo #1:

Alleged LogoWorks Logo #1

Logo originally designed by designer Mark Fox:

Logo originally design by designer Mark Fox

Alleged LogoWorks logo #2:

Alleged LogoWorks logo #2

Logo belonging to the Oregon State Beavers:

Logo belonging to the Oregon State Beavers

A shady business model
The WSJ piece reports that LogoWorks “has been profitable since July 2002 and last year took in revenue of $3.5 million, which it expects to climb to between $10 million and $20 million this year.”

Well it looks like at leas some of those profits have come on the backs of other designers’ work! Who knows how much more? I strongly suggest that any logo designers check out the LogoWorks gallery and make sure that your work has not been stolen and sold to another company to the benefit of LogoWorks.

.chris{}

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  1. 1 Bill
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 4:40 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    good article. stuff like this makes my blood boil!

  2. 2 Patricia
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 5:45 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Excellent post. I’ve been watching and participating on that How thread and it just seems to me that there needs to be more exposure to this problem. Something has to be done where the ‘outside’ world is made more aware of this. Discussing amongst ourselves although productive is also limited. We need to get the word out.

  3. 3 Bill
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 6:00 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    good point Patricia, it seems to be difficult for people not in the know to understand why this is a problem. I just had a quick idea, something to do with a poster about hiring someone to do your plumbing who came in with the lowest bid - and you find him reading a Idiot Guide to Plumbing under your sink.

  4. 4 Chris Gee
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 6:05 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I LOVE that! LOL!

    .chris{}

  5. 5 Julio Ferro
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 6:25 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Tricky guys!

    I mean, I’ll show you eight “concepts” so you choose one. The formula: I’ve seven to sell to another and so on!

    Business R business

    Julio

  6. 6 Jake
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 7:02 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Chris - great post. I agree with Bill, this stuff makes me steamed. You have to wonder how long this has gone unnoticed and how much money they have made doing this. It just seems like there are NO ethics left in this world.

    Bill that poster idea is awesome!

  7. 7 Adrienne Thibodeau
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 7:26 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Sickening. Thank you for bringing this to light. Time to get the word out.

  8. 8 Angie
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 8:08 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    That completely irritates me! Oregon State is my alma mater!!!

  9. 9 Viki
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 9:58 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I posted at Laura’s Marketing site too. I am sure she will have to reconsider her endorsement in light of Marketing and Design professionals now calling into question her own credentials after such a blooper.

  10. 10 taughnee
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 10:05 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    So, “you get what you pay for” is true afterall, huh?

  11. 11 Chris Gee
    Posted on August 19th, 2005 at 10:17 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    “You may not get everything you pay for but you will pay for everything you get.”

    Frederick Douglass

    .chris{}

  12. 12 jboy
    Posted on August 20th, 2005 at 9:14 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I used to do work for LogoWorks through college when money was really tight. I did projects here and there to get groceries, etc and it really came in handy, I could make money really quickly with them. But when my March break came up I made $1200 on it by just doing a bunch logos. All my logos were 100% original but sometimes I saw others posting stuff that was already made. I used to only accept a job when a concept popped in my head after reading the briefing. Then I would just design the required amount of logos in under a half hour. Whenever you submit a logo you have to click a box that says you swear that the work is your own and you release all copyright to LogoWorks. LogoWorks doesn’t want copied designs and doesn’t ask for them. I think the logos found out as being copied should be sent to LogoWorks so they can take the appropriate action and fire whichever designer violated their agreement (honest LW designers hate them as much as you do).

    It’s a really broad range of people on there, some are great and come up with their own concepts for fantastic identities, some are jackasses that make a trendy swoosh style logo and change the name of the client on every submission (LW usually catches these guys and fires them) and then theres the rare few who copy copyrighted material.

    It’s just like designers in the real world, except LW is pretty much fully comprised of college students like I used to be just trying to make some cash to pay the bills while getting something in their portfolio at the same time.

  13. 13 Chris
    Posted on August 20th, 2005 at 11:08 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Chris,

    Great article and I went over to HOW to see what they were all saying. It’s very disturbing to say the least.

    But what really interested me about your article, is the fact that someone who use to work at LW is giving us some insight.

    I COMPLETELY understand how college students can be enticed to work for LW. They can make money and build a portfolio all at the same time. But that is the root of the entire problem. By using and abusing these talented (some not so talented) artists with the temptation of making much needed money, they (LW) are simply encourgaing great design for nothing. Which in turn creates havoc for those of us who are trying to make a statement that design does has a much greater value.

    As far as Bill’s idea about the poster goes, I have a friend who is a plumber and pretty heavy set. He could be our model for the poster. Plumber butt hanging out and everything. :o )

  14. 14 Kerry
    Posted on August 22nd, 2005 at 1:49 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I am speachless.

  15. 15 Jeope
    Posted on August 22nd, 2005 at 5:12 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I admire the fight you and others are putting up, Chris. And the voice of protest is growing. Stop for a second and feel proud, OK? Thanks for taking the weasels to task.

  16. 16 Fred
    Posted on August 22nd, 2005 at 7:25 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    The problem is that most people who post here instantly discredit themselves when they state that the images shown above are “stolen” or “ripped off”.

    Viewing this from a preotectionist standpoint only makes you look petty. None of the images shown above are the same. They are similar, that’s a big, BIG difference.

    Making statements that are false makes you either a liar or an incompetent. Don’t any of you know the law as it relates to copyright infringment?

    Isn’t your work unique enough that it would never be confused with this type of work?

    It seems that the way to deal with this is to spend your time being so much better than Logoworks that they are no longer a threat to you. Whining and complaining only make you look bad.

    Fred Voetsch
    Acclaim Images

  17. 17 Jake
    Posted on August 22nd, 2005 at 9:01 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Jboy - I think what is desturbing is the fact that some of these rips are clearly rips. I don’t understand how someone could not of noticed. If you did when you were in college, did YOU notify Logoworks? I just think that would have been the thing to do. You wouldn’t want your original design you did to be ripped, would you? I do however commend you for being original with your designs.

  18. 18 Gord Grisenthwaite
    Posted on September 20th, 2005 at 10:24 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    The images need not be identical pixel for pixel for them to be theft of intelectual property. The beaver and the crossed wrenches are clearly cut and pasted onto different backgrounds. In terms of copyright protection, the alternate images are in violation of intellectual property rights.

    Fighting to protect one’s work and one’s livelihood doesn’t constitute whining and complaining.

  19. 19 Ben
    Posted on September 28th, 2005 at 11:25 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    FRED!!!!! I AM ASHAMED OF YOU.

    Minutes before reading your narrow minded, ignorant, and destructive comments, I was thinking about how someone associated with stockphotography would understand how wrong this situation is. I’ve never heard of Acclaim Images before, but if their standards are as low as yours when it comes to intellectual copyrights, I thing the world should be warned of them too.

    Didn’t you read the comment by jBoy? He clearly said that he has seen logos at logoworks that are copied. That should be enough for anyone. The question isn’t whether they are doing it or not. That is already painfully obvious to any level headed person with more than 5 brain cells.

    The really question is: How do we deal with this so that it doesn’t keep happening.

  20. 20 Ben
    Posted on September 28th, 2005 at 11:34 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Hey…If any of the designers that were Ripped are reading this, you should file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Currently, they only have complaints from their clients about delivery, etc.

    for a full report, go here:

    http://www.saltlakecity.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=5000954

  21. 21 Don
    Posted on October 2nd, 2005 at 2:40 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I didn’t realize the industry was such a mellee. This is why I recently decided to go into business for myself.. find my own clients, keep what I kill, so to speak, and I’ve too much honor to steal from others. I spend anywhere from half hours to whole days doing a custom and cleancut design. (I should probably think about a website for my portfolio tho, lol.)

    Of course I’ve just started and can use all the clients I can get so, far be it from me to say it, but intellectual property is nothing to tango with no matter who you are.

  22. 22 Y.
    Posted on November 19th, 2005 at 1:58 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    Ah, and slowly the design industry falls victim to the same fate that has dogged the music industry for years and years.

    Give it time folks, eventually you’ll be able to buy GraphicDesignStar for the Playstation 2 (or 3, or 4) and Create Your Own Professional Designs From The Comfort Of Your Sofa.

    ouch.

  23. 23 Smarter than you
    Posted on May 24th, 2006 at 4:02 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I think you guys are retarded. I beaver logo looks NOTHING like the damn college logo. Take a closer look. The Beaver Brewery logo is so different that the college log never would have entered my mind without you posting it there. The other looks like a rip-off, but honestly, they both look like templates anyway so the “original” is probably a rip-off too.

  24. 24 Sania
    Posted on February 25th, 2007 at 12:08 am. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    WOW, what a found, and they claimed that we had worked for Yahoo and Micrsoft, this is shitty bad.

  25. 25 Logo design customer
    Posted on April 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    I had my logo created by http://www.ars-logo-design.com. I was particularly specific about what I wanted. By the nature of my request, there were not chances that something like that had ever been created before. They did it in a very artsy way and charged me half the logoworks’s prices. My 2 cents.

  26. 26 Tanner
    Posted on May 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pm. About 'LogoWorks or LogoJERKS?'.

    This article is out of date. Logoworks is rapidly becoming one of the top logo design companies in the nation, with a large list of top-ranking clients - each who have no complaints. Not to mention HP’s latest interest in the company:

    http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=71087&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=989714&highlight

    However accurate this article was in 2005, things have changed and the company is an inspiration to designers.

    Just my 2 cents from what I’ve seen in the news as of late, nothing more.

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